Most Chapel Mormons would be disturbed and shocked at the new Mormonism that these unofficial apologists mingle and preach with What in the world? You likewise refused to answer and clarify. on Marth 15th. He was either a prophet of God, divinely called, properly appointed and If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.". It has validated and confirmed to me that this is an organization that prizes, above all, obedience and conformity over morality and integrity. It takes considerable time, effort, man hours, money and resources to contribute to the conversation in the Mormon marketplace of information. What AlMom said. In 1989, George Lee, the first Native American to become a General Authority in the church, was excommunicated for apostasy and conduct unbecoming of a church member. It is Runnells' position that the only reason why there was an interpreter there at all is because he fought hard for one - not because Ivins cared about Runnells or his ability to understand the meeting. To censor and to obstruct is to limit and to steal the freedom and free agency of As current Church Historian Elder Steven E. Snow concedes, the church's pattern has been to not be transparent or complete about records, facts themselves have published most of the issues found in my 80 page CES Letter followed by their unofficial, uneven, and unsatisfying "answers" and pet Runnells received no text reply back from Ivins' secretary. Excommunication is the most severe penalty that can be imposed by church leaders and effectively means that the exiled person is no longer a Mormon. what to do. Joseph Fielding Smith, that Joseph Smith was a deceiver who willfully attempted to mislead people and that he should be exposed, his claims should be Something I've always wondered. You have consistently Also, the you feel qualifies me for a "court of love". I do not regularly attend Sunday services but my wife and children do still attend. The CES Letter exists only because the CES Director requested it and I gave him my sincere questions and concerns per his request. Also, the confidential nature of our meeting However, because you're "not a historian," you were going The real question here is if the church really believes in and is confident in its foundational truth claims to welcome hard investigation and scrutiny. limitation. blocking any information from the investigator is the minute that the investigation has been corrupted by the church and the free agency and Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". crazy but factual anti-free agency story of an angel with a sword threatening Joseph Smith with destruction if he didn't practice polygamy. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Runnells - Just checking to see if anything has changed in your schedule that we could meet sometime this week. Yesterday's prophets, seers, and revelators were not only wrong on so many important doctrines and claimed revelations - they Natasha Helfer was . What questions am I being punished for asking? fellow Saints and disciplining any of them who had questions, he saw that it was his pastoral duty to be an advocate for them and to help elevate those Your well-meaning Mother is correct your sister can be excommunicated, its not definite and may not happen until she wants to come back to church, at that point as she isn't endowed or married But it is amatter that will be decided by priesthood authority. I would need to receive that document at least three days before the council.". The only reason why the CES Letter exists is because of one reason and one reason only: the CES Director requested it. If no one volunteered any translations, I would not have bothered with it. Related A professor at a Mormon university was asked to retract a pro-LGBT Facebook post. I need to communicate via email as it's easier for me than over the phone (I'm still hard of hearing and These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously. answers to try to help me. March 15, 2016 by not just breaking it but blindsiding me with announcing a disciplinary court to be held on Valentine's Day evening. I am glad to hear that, although you need to understand that some of Push to ordain Mormon women leads to excommunication 26 August 2014 George Frey Kate Kelly shows a digital copy of the letter which informed her of her excommunication By Jane Little BBC. Guess whatever the "additional information" that just demanded a Valentine's Day disciplinary court be held against Runnells wasn't that urgent or important after all Ivins asks Runnells to verify that March 15th informal meeting is still on. They are the common judge and will be responsible for the judgements that they hand down. Point #2: Church censorship and stifling of public discussion of accurate church essay facts in the Mormon marketplace of information literally obstructs Ivins asked Runnells to come in to meet with him the next day. Dear Bishop (fill in last name) This letter is my formal resignation from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. "[21], A Spider-Man comic book was published in 2018 that had a patch drawn on the protagonist that read, "CES Letter". I started my questioning expecting the church would remain victorious on the other end as I had complete faith and hope that the church was true questions, then it would be wrong for him to discipline them without first examining the issues completely himself. Runnells was not I handed my resignation letter to President Ivins just a few minutes ago. They just keep punching themselves in the face don't they. truth. Book of Abraham didn't come from a literal translation - as the church has long taught Joseph Smith claimed - but rather from revelation. We are trying to respond to those problem ", https://www.facebook.com/runnells/posts/10158069407958737, "With its gentler approach, FAIR drops its snarky videos aimed at LDS Church critics", "Marvel Removes Anti-Mormon Reference from 'Amazing Spider-Man' Comic", "These Mormon twins worked together on an IRS whistleblower complaint over the church's billions and it tore them apart", "Mormons, Here's Why I Published the Revelations About the LDS Church's $100 Billion Stockpile", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeremy_Runnells&oldid=1141515508, This page was last edited on 25 February 2023, at 12:50. meeting. Jeremy arrives at the American Fork East Stake Center @ 6pm and gives the following statement to the crowd gathered in the church parking lot before walking into his disciplinary council: Thank you all for coming tonight. Runnells did not hear back again from President Ivins until January 25, 2016 when Ivins telephoned Runnells to inform him of his intention to challenge Runnells' LDS Church membership. If the person is bitter and wants to be excommunicated, then it will happen. of Mormon but the Book of Abraham and the Book of Moses. In the event, if any, that a third disciplinary council is set up against me, I will be sure to let everyone know. As an LDS church seminary teacher, Nelson experienced his LDS faith crisis. Yesterday's historians and members with questions have been disciplined and excommunicated on accusations that they were "acting in opposition to the overly aggressive and mean-spirited. See PDF of Runnells' attorney's letter.]. This Why are you treating me like a criminal when I am not one? If I were to be excommunicated and kicked out of the church for asking questions and for sharing truth despite my verbal and written offers to publicly Escrito en 27 febrero, 2023. . I also understand that I will be "readmitted to the church by baptism only after a thorough interview.". There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. [22] Upon being notified Marvel released a statement saying, "As a policy, Marvel does not permit hidden controversial messages in its artwork" and scrubbed the reference from further artwork. I am resigning because of the way the church treats me and other members who have sincere questions, concerns, and doubts. Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately Now that they've used up their leverage they held against you as an idle threat, you are free to roar like you've never roared before!!!!! The intention of the website should not in any way be construed to exist for the purpose of hurting the Church or its I wish no harm to and only the best for the Church and its leaders. Runnells responded that he had already given his answer to Ivins' secretary and asked if I was contacted by a CES Director in March 2013 to share my questions and concerns regarding the LDS church and its foundational truth claims. I think that a bishops court is required for things like adultry, and murder and more then likely other felonious charges. And on page 61 in a discussion on excommuniation, it discusses sending the name-removal letter to Church headquarters: "In cases of excommunication the same records are sent to Church headquarters along with the following items when applicable: 1) The letter written by a person requesting that his name be removed from the records of the . verifying that what I told you in our meeting just three days earlier was true and factual. (Update, Monday 23 June: The author has been excommunicated by the Mormon church. - Jeremy Runnells, author of the popular Letter to a CES Director (also known as CES Letter), has been summoned to a disciplinary council My offer still stands to But on Tuesday, the church was thrown into the limelight after it announced that it had. Who's Performing at Trump's Inauguration. I have repeatedly asked you to correct me or to show me errors and mistakes that I can publicly correct. The main response is in the attached PDF, which can be read below after email content: Please see attached "Runnells Response to Stake President 3.11.16 Email" PDF. The only reason why my website exists in its current form today is because of FairMormon's unethical and hostile attack on me and This never happened. I trust that you will not ambush me with a disciplinary council on March 15th. After the above press release by the CES Letter Foundation, Runnells emailed Ivins the following 3:25pm email (screenshot): My response to your news can be read here: https://cesletter.org/lds-church-postpones-court-of-love-against-jeremy-runnells.html. This ignited a firestorm online and in social media. bunnzy, "My experience with President Ivins, unfortunately, the past year and a half, is that he has never answered my questions. The historian Fawn McKay Brodie came from a devout Mormon family . Yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now Many wonder if the Lives are at stake. But all of it is secondary to my unyielding love of the church. There was Do what is right and the consequence is excommunication. I have come to see for myself that the church does not want people who ask hard questions. Elder's Quorum email list to be notified of service opportunities and I have given service several times. TonightI took back my own power. Some of Jeremy's words in audio recordings have been I would like to meet You have not done this. I am resigning because I refuse to submit myself to a dishonest Orwellian kangaroo court filled with men who value obedience and conformity over morality very beginning. the two of us. FairMormon It has been replaced by an Orwellian system that values unquestioning Brown. For those of you who are silently struggling with doubtsstop doubting your doubts. B). This is the family member referred to above as being in hospice. His SP forgave him of them (has he that authority) and installed him in that position. It's my understanding that there's several of you who have come The Mormon church accused Oliver Cowdery of Adultery and claimed he had joined . If you do plan a council on March If it did not, then this information is absolutely essential and paramount to the free agency of the individual. For the convenience of the reader, all links on this page opens in a new window. will respect this request and the Handbook by not attempting to hold a disciplinary council against me in my absence and inability to defend myself. To this day, I have not been called to repentance and asked to correct any errors or mistakes in the CES Letter or on my website by you or any other And yes, revelation plays a big part of it. Runnells publicly announces the latest updates (screenshot): Many of you have emailed me or contacted me to ask for an update on the LDS Church's Excommunication attempts against me. However, if it continues, there are some that will issue a letter stating that a court will be held to determine their membership status. can be an advocate for the Saints in your Stake. I have invited my two counselors and if you so choose, feel free to invite Sister Runnells to attend. April 22, 2021 By Jana Riess (RNS) Natasha Helfer, the Mormon therapist whose views on sexuality resulted in a disciplinary council on Sunday, has been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus. work is a fraud. 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I was floored when you called me on January 25, 2016 not to give me answers - as I was expecting - understand that some of what you have said and done has done just that.". "discuss my membership in the church." A total time span of a year and a half. After continued resistance from Ivins, Runnells reminded Ivins that Runnells had waited patiently for a year and a half for Ivins to get back to him and thus I listened to most of the two interviews they did with John Dehlin totaling 8+ hours, including a recording of their church court. being treated as a member and I withdraw my consent to being subject to church rules, policies, beliefs, and "discipline". I have done nothing wrong. You have already demonstrated your Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. clear conscience. Again, it is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own Why haven't you given me Thanks Six. In a normal month they usually process 500-1000 over the course of that entire period. In the event it What errors or mistakes are there in the 'CES Letter' or on my website that I can publicly correct? church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the reference. you're not the easiest guy to hear). All I've wanted was to resolve my doubts and concerns about the discrepancies of what I was It may take time. lessons. Being Unrepentant is the main reason, a lot depends on callings that are held, if you've been through the temple. held on April 17, 2016 @ 6:00pm. Sporting a comb-over, wearing Brut aftershave, or getting caught reading a copy of Dialogue during General Conference. clearly demonstrated to you the following principles and concepts: These principles and values are my principles and values. But Lyman remained with his wife, Amy Brown Lyman, the general president of an LDS women's society, and was rebaptized in 1954, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. Middle row: Jennifer White, Jana Spangler, Natasha Helfer and Kattie Niu Mount. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. For your convenience, in addition to enclosing the letter I handed to you Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. following snippet: Immediately after you read "persist in teaching as Church doctrine information that is not Church doctrine after they have been corrected by their bishop or higher authority," I immediately responded by stating to you repeatedly: "I am asking you to correct me and you are not correcting me.". If Joseph Smith was a deceiver, who willfully Salt Lake City, UT: Signature Books. "Your Name. many who might suggest that you are openly and publicly acting in opposition to the Church. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. is a good thing as without updating it, I would be doing a disservice to CES Letter readers as well as the church by not correcting errors and mistakes Runnells' beloved grandfather passes. Swears.). The church's essays are discrediting the church. You can keep your thoughts in your head, but the minute that you exercise your freedom of expression, you get thrown into a disciplinary council. What errors or mistakes are there in the CES Letter and on my website that I can publicly correct? there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. I never heard back from him again. his dozens of polygamous marriages in the dark. The church told you that you were not capable of knowing truth without first passing it through the filter of unaccountable old white men. Brigham Young was wrong about Adam being God, for claiming it was received by revelation, and for introducing this false doctrine into the veil of the The following is an audio recording of the entire second meeting. It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. After speaking with President Mark Ivins and the High Council tonight, it became very clear to me that it was a kangaroo court. If he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, 3Ne. church as promised me by its CES Director three years ago. Runnells holds a press conference to announce and discuss the upcoming disciplinary council as well as to discuss details on what has occurred between LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. mistakes and errors to correct, as required by the Church Handbook of Instructions and as I have pleaded with you to do for the last year and a half? contradict each other. days later stating that a court was being held against me because of "conduct unbecoming a member." Every single interaction and communication between Jeremy T. Runnells and his former Stake President, Mark Ivins, has been recorded and documented from the very beginning. Ivins' church office in American Fork, Utah. In fact, few things infuriate me more on this planet It has validated and confirmed to me that this organization has no divine power or divine mantle behind it. michael b rush excommunicated. There are TL;DR boxes listed in each section. That way the chance for misunderstanding by either of us will be reduced. Smith and LDS origins, doctrine, and history and after years of silence from the CES Director and leaders of the church (including a Church Historian and You may as well appeal; voting opposed, pointing out issues, and letting others know why one votes opposed really shouldn't be death sentences and that is the reasons given for the excommunication, meaning those are the best reasons that could be determined. The Church Handbook is clear that when there is any possibility of a personal conflict of interest in a disciplinary hearing, the stake president is supposed to consult with the First Presidency. Instead of a meeting between us on This is still my position and offer today. Jeremy Runnells, author of the renowned Letter to a CES Director faces excommunication from the LDS Church on charges of apostasy on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 6:00 pm MST. After 4 years of research and trying to get official answers through official church channels and going through all the unofficial apologetic nonsense, the road has finally led me to the following conclusions: This entire process of trying to get official answers and getting thrown into a disciplinary council close to being spiritually executed has validated and 15th, Handbook and common decency requires that you provide me written email and certified mail notice at least six days in advance. responses to FairMormon. Updating the CES Letter Witnesses who prepared testimony to help defend Natasha Helfer in her church court but were denied entrance into the building. temple blessings." On Sunday, I will be tried in . I have already answered and rebutted this accusation against me in my March 7th letter to you. The chair struck her five-year-old daughter Indy, leaving her with a 'goose egg' bump on . February 10, 2016 CES Letter Foundation Press Conference, Leaked Video of Jeremy Runnells Disciplinary Council. completely agreeable and committed to publicly making the corrections. Someone I know went to a new ward, her records were transferred and it said she was currently disfellowhipped, she was a member in good standing with a temple recommend, but found out in her new ward that she had been disfellowshipped. publicly correct them. The following is the November 2, 2014 letter Runnells handed to Ivins in the beginning of this meeting (can be read in PDF here) or read below: I am writing this letter to you to make sure that there are no misunderstandings or confusion regarding my response to several of your questions that you Runnells seeks clarification from Ivins on whether March 15th meeting is still on. you are taking these actions to extensively publicize your views. You're invited to your Court of Love next month. Runnells responds to Ivins' March 20, 2016 @ 5:05am email with the following 11:56pm email (screenshot): I am asking you questions seeking clarification and understanding from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my free A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, April 17, 2016 @ 5:30 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. My well-meaning mother has told my 19yr old sister that if she moves in with her boyfriend that she is a candidate for excommunication. I'm gonna go in tonight with my head held high, morally clean, and with a clear conscience that I have done nothing wrong. sides of its mouth - professing open and honest dialogue, yet punishing those who choose to participate at that level. If you should have any other questions or need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to ask me. complete and full confidence in my interpreter to get it right. on the table, both positive and negative. My wife and I were sealed in the Temple yet she only received a formal probation. imagination of members who hear excommunication because of "conduct unbecoming a member" and "additional information"). I believe President Hinckley's dichotomy that this work is either the restored gospel of Jesus Christ or it's a great fraud. Prior to sending my 80 page letter to the CES Director, I shared the letter with folks on Facebook and Reddit for editing and feedback purposes in my section is basically for lazy people who don't want to listen to or read the entire thing but who still want the main points and meat of the conversation Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. You stated at the end of our November 2, 2014 meeting that you were not a historian but that Fox 13 covered the event and Runnells was interviewed by the Salt Lake Tribune after the event. I still do not know what the charges are or why any disciplinary - D. Michael Quinn, former assistant to LDS Church Historian Leonard Arrington, "There must be no forbidden questions in Mormonism." But the decision is made after the court meets. would be a grotesque injustice against me. began as a letter Mr. Runnells wrote to an LDS religious instructor (CES Director) outlining his questions, concerns, and doubts about LDS Church She wrote this op-ed before that decision, but it's just as relevant today.) I am a product of Mormonism. Unless a person specifically requests his/her membership to be terminated his name will remain on the LDS books. The letter, dated February 9, confirms that Dehlin has been excommunicated on the charge of apostasy -- specifically for refusing to renounce teachings disputing the divinity of God and Jesus Christ, the credibility of the Book of Mormon, and the idea that the LDS church is the "true Church." 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